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How widespread is this issue?

Postby KSSunflower » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:01 pm

Recently,I learned that the majority of LDS members reside outside of the US (40% in Latin America). I am wondering if problems with sexuality is as wide-spread with these populations, especially those most unlike the US. Somebody made a post asking where everybody is from. I noticed that the majority answered US and then a few in the United Kingdom, and European mainland. Any thoughts?
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby JustGettingBy » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:20 pm

I live in the US, but nowhere near Utah nor California. It is a problem here (as I have mentioned before).
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby KSSunflower » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:37 pm

Yes I remember you saying that you live in the mission field or something like that. This post is about those outside of the US. I am wondering if this is a Church-wide issue or if it an issue with a more focused population of the Church. Have a lot of your members grown up in Utah or what other backgrounds do these members have in common other than being LDS? We all know that correlation doesn't equal causation. Has anybody looked into why some members have these issues and other do not even though we are all taught the same gospel, more or less? Could there be other influences that make us more inclined to have these issues?
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby LatterDay Marriage » Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:23 am

I would assume that most members in Latin America are converts from Catholicism or their parents were, so they would have brought with them a lot of attitudes from that background. Catholicism seems to me to have deeply entrenched in it the idea of sex being a dirty sinful thing that God tolerates only so children can be born. The idea of Mary never having sex with Joseph for example because she was too holy as the mother of Christ to do something like that, celibacy for priests and nuns etc. Official Catholic doctrine holds that even Christ's birth didn't take away Mary's 'physical virginity'.
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby KSSunflower » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:03 am

I understand catholic beliefs. Many of my aunts and cousins are catholic. But they don't have these issues. My aunts and cousins party like nobody's business and most of them had sex before marriage. It isn't uncommon in that culture. So I am not sure how much that matters. Do you think the strong Catholic ties makes them more prone to accept LDS teachings of chastity and therefore not be a problem. Nobody on this site has claimed to be from Latin America, Asia, Africa so I am curious why that is. Do you know if this is even an issue in areas like these or are you just speculating?
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby JustGettingBy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:29 am

I have wondered for a while how the average LDS person in some European countries that are more sexuallyl liberal. I wonder what experience they have. I know we have someone from the UK and down under.
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby LatterDay Marriage » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:07 pm

KSSunflower wrote:I understand catholic beliefs. Many of my aunts and cousins are catholic. But they don't have these issues. My aunts and cousins party like nobody's business and most of them had sex before marriage. It isn't uncommon in that culture. So I am not sure how much that matters. Do you think the strong Catholic ties makes them more prone to accept LDS teachings of chastity and therefore not be a problem. Nobody on this site has claimed to be from Latin America, Asia, Africa so I am curious why that is. Do you know if this is even an issue in areas like these or are you just speculating?


The vast majority of Catholics in North America are people who were baptized as babies, and as adults have no real devotion to the church. They go to 'hatchings, matchings and dispatchings' and perhaps midnight mass on Christmas, but there it doesn't impact on their day to day life. They don't by into a lot of Catholic dogma so it doesn't affect their views on sex so much. My impression is that in latin America there is a lot more devotion among the Catholics there, so I assume from the anti-sex nature of Catholic doctrine that there would be a fair number of former Catholic members who had their ideas of sexuality shaped by Catholic doctrine. It's all just speculation though. I think the only thing we can count on for sure is that Satan wants to undermine families, and he'll do it any way he can (promiscuity or GGS), every where he can (in or out of the USA).
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby cmfray » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:35 pm

I have no personal experience with this - although I do now and have always lived in the mission field - and where I have lived most of my adult life is an extremely diverse area full of all kinds of nationalities. I think different cultures definitely affect the development of sexuality in different ways. Some are more sex positive and others are even more repressive than we are. Cultures that practice female genital circumcision comes to my mind as cultures that are sexually repressive for females and may deal with this issue even more. I know there have been some studies on isolated and primitive (by our standards) tribes that seem to be pretty well adjusted as far as sexuality in both sexes.

Almost all cultures are influenced by some form of religion or religions and those religions play a big part in the countries cultural attitudes towards sexuality. Now that the church has indeed become a world wide church - I think cultural attitudes is going to affect all parts of gospel living - and I have heard the church sometimes struggles to make sure the doctrine does not get changed by different cultural aspects and interpretations.

This is an interesting question KS - I would love to see a study done on LDS members throughout the world concerning this very issue.
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Re: How widespread is this issue?

Postby KSSunflower » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:58 pm

I would like to see a study done too, cmfray. I told dh, it kind of made me have a desire to go into research.
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